Originally Posted by gloopy

Is that really what's going on though? Especially going forward, and not looking at the autumn trough numbers, which doesn't count because there is no way they are going to cull the large WB fleets just for the fall anyway? Then consider the early outs, disproportionately from the large WB fleets (especially the 747), with more 747's coming back online in time for 2013 peak flying, and how much are they really carrying?

Again, let's not call the delta P between the autumn trough and peak summer a "carry" because that's not honest at all. Peak to peak, after backing out the early outs, is there much if any of a carry in the first place?