Originally Posted by Climbto450

Great post, you made some good points but I think it is more like 40 % juicers 40 % sceptic/realist and another 20 % that are somewhere between the two. That's why the vote didn't go thru last year and that's why it would still be a close vote even thought I think it has moved towards the direction of recognition for a need for a CBA. I realize that management is willing to do just what is enough to keep pilots at JB. Management recognize that giving a little here and there gives the perception that things are getting better for pilots. Until we get a mass exedous of pilots (which I think will happen in the next couple of years due to mainline carriers hiring needs) or we get a CBA nothing will really improve. I am not looking forward to the October health care issue but I am pleased that they added that extra 3%, they have given the 5% since the early days of JB I doubt they are going to stop giving it now that we made 52m last quarter. It would be nice to see it in a CBA however I am more interested in addressing our LTD and our health insurace thru a CBA. Hopefully we will continue to grow and get some of these issues fixed. As for the ASIA issue, they are training pilots as fast as they can over there I think the need for ex pat american pilots is slowing down over there as they are slowly replacing us with there own pilots. I wouldn't hold my breath for that one.