Let's just wait til the block hour plan for next year comes out in October. I understand the frustration of the junior guys at the stagnation as I sat on the right seat of the Mud Pup for five + years in the early 90's. Me thinks (and that's just me) that hiring will be done this winter. If HND doesn't go our way I see HA as being in play, just look at their route map. ALK is only in play if someone else seems ready to make a move, read AMR. But, AMR can't even get out of their own way, with the creditors becoming impatient.