if you guys think pilot pay, especially senior pilot pay, is the root behind Pinnacle's ailments, I want some of the company kool aid you are drinking. Had we not started flying q's for below cost, bought Colgan and Mesaba and the associated training costs etc, got a fancy buiding downtown and given out millions in parachutes and top raises, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Same goes for any airline. Sounds more like a case of entitlement and "get out of MY seat" if you ask me. The same ones that are whining about capping longevity and cutting pay for senior guys now are the ones that were telling their negotiating committes to "shoot for the starts on our contract, if we miss at least we will hit the moon." When and if you guys get to a major and management comes at you with the same proposals you are talking about to "save the company" are you going to think its a good idea then? no because it directly affects you in a negative way. There's not a fast track to everything in life, guys...no matter what the school propaganda tells you. And to think that the senior guys who have been there more than X years are still only there because they can't move on because they don't have a degree, busted 4 checkrides, have 7 dui's etc. as previously mentioned is crap. Some people have established family where they are based, are happy with 18 days off and 80-120k, don't want to uproot family, miss kids soccer games/birthdays/christmas AGAIN and don't associate the size of their genitals with the size of plane they fly.