Purple Rain posted:
let's take a real look at how much C2012 will increase our productivity and reduce the number of pilots required. no, I'm not talking about DALPA's nonsensical numbers.
oh, and it's going to be virtually impossible to hire qualified replacements on a 1-for-1 basis with upcoming retirements.



Since you have clearly ran the numbers yourself to come up with the nonsensical comment why don't you post your numbers?

Delta has around 2000 pilots on reserve overall. Goes up and down winter to summer. DALPA posted the major changes will reduce the need for pilots about 15% or 300 to 340 pilots on the downside. That number however does not include the gains in other areas of the contract. So lets here your numbers for the sections where there were major changes.

1. ALV plus 15. Win for the company however on this very forum I talked about the ability to decline any trip putting you over the ALV and was soundly rebuked that no one would do that and everyone goes yellow high to fill up if they are close.
2.ALV to 84 however capped at 1 hour more for the year. Call that 1.2 percent. Thats about 80 jobs. What is your number.
3. Equalize days in the bid periods for the year. Another win for the company, again what are your numbers?
Total jobs estimated by ALPA again 300 to 340. Whats your number?

Now on the not a win for the company here are some changes off the top of my head.
1. Counting known absences like vacation into when a reserve is full.
2. Reserves full at reserve pay hours not ALV
3. Reduction/elimination of trip parking
4. 4:30 daily min
5. Increase in vacation value. (See number 1)
6. Increase in training pay (see number 1)
7. Increase of 4 to 5 X days per year per reserve pilot.

Note that none of the above includes the prior round of SOT changes which increased the companies need for pilots. The changes in recovery flying alone was huge.
Two other things. The company looking at pilot manning and the decisions on staffing such as hiring is viewing the contract as neutral at this point. Once they see the overall effects they may adjust.
The last thing and what will account for far more jobs then the contract is the quality of airline we are now running. The operation is light years better then it was just 2 years ago. Reroutes are way down which is one of the biggest drivers of needed reserves. If your running a good operation compared to the horrible airline we were for many years you need far fewer reserve pilots.
I suppose however in your mind the company running a good operation is all DALPA's fault!
So overall considering the contract changes and the SOT please let us know your numbers verses the ones you claim DALPA fabricated.