I'm not gonna expend too much energy looking things up since you are just trying to be a d**k, but my current concessionary pay rate flying the 737-800, for example, is 169/hr. The DOS pay rate being floated is 189 - 20/hr (that does not even meet inflation) does not get me excited. Now, the A320 CA is going to go from 138/hr to 189 overnight. Sorry if I don't share your enthusiasm that some of our brothers in blue aren't going to be swayed by that.

Oh, btw, the pay rate for flying the same airplane in 2001 was 179/hr. Now, I know that doesn't meet the vaunted UAL 2000, but I really am not moved the least by "gaining" 10/hr over a contract that was negotiated in 1997 and that is being hailed as a "great win for the American people" by Little Jay.

You guys seem to forget that we are also operating on a concessionary contract that gutted our work rules. Our Contract 97, while, again, not UA 2000, was a helluva lot better than the crap sandwich 58% of my "esteemed" brothers approved in 2005. A lot of the "gains" being floated around with this POS are not that much better than what we had 12 years ago, and some will certainly be a concession from your current CBA.

Now, as to the scope issue.. Holding the line at 50 seat jets was a watershed for us. This language was crafted back in 1997 when the only large turboprops in use was the BAe ATP (that UAX had) and the ATR-72. COEX had a few of those that never really worked that well and were not deemed a threat then. Would have been nice if our negotiators could have foreseen the more economical Q400, but that would not hit the drawing board until 3 years later.

I can wait this out until we get the JCBA that WE ALL deserve.