Is it so hard for you to grasp the concept that it doesn't matter what is on the table... as of Nov 1st, we have no contributions into any retirement program for our pilots.

I don't expect you to realize this since you aren't even a pilot here; but we've had thousands of proposals on the table since 2003. They mean squat unless they're signed.

They are correct when they say we have no retirement contributions effective Nov 1st. You seem to be going out of your way to mislead and misinform. Why is that?