Originally Posted by
horrido27
PS> One of the scariest thing is this- all the Active UAL Pilots are on 12th yr pay. Looking at the "leaked" payrates, you see a higher % of increase for UAL 12th yr pay vs. any/most CAL % of increase.
While I understand that the UAL group has worked under worse pay than the CAL Pilots, the CAL Pilots have worked under worse conditions that the UAL Pilots. So, basically we've both been screwed.. just in different positions!
Motch!
Your PS suggests that the MECs have been successful in considerably adjusting our expectations because that's exactly what that comparison seeks to accomplish. Let's take our pilot suits off for a second and open our minds for once. I have no interest in how much of a % raise either pilot group receives as compared to the other. Neither of our current contracts nor for that matter, Delta's, represent "industry" leading in value to US pilots, which is where any comparison and my "yes" or "no" vote lies.
To give you some perspective, those leaked JCBA numbers will only equal Delta's 2015 rates, in 2017. That's how far behind JCBA leaked rates are, and I can't imagine it will contain a tighter scope section, more sizable retirement %, superior work rules, and an appreciable penality remunerator, to close the gap. So in that sense it's already a non starter, DQ at the blocks.
JP is already selling this as the best alternative but I'm not supprise. JH will await the outcome of the national election before he plays his hand(November 5th delay comes to mind).
Either way, I won't be dupped especially with stupid comparisons like JCBA rates vs L-UAL / L-CAL rates.