Originally Posted by Sunvox

The Scope clause in the UAL TA is a huge blow to regionals and will result in an enormous reduction of UAX flying, and not gonna get into it, but is anyone following the reality of Delta flying. All the 50 seaters are going or are already gone and there will be a net loss of 5000+ seats for Delta Express whilst Delta ordered 717s and is negotiating for 76 seaters to be used by it's feeders.


Please compare the prime feeder's route maps prior to Delta's agreement: Comair vs. Skywest & Assoc. Then look for our 717-equivalent 100 seat aircraft order.

But back to the regularly scheduled programming . . . here's how the UAL Scope actually works in the TA.

1) UAX gets a one year gap to prepare. So no change.

Just how fast would a CRJ900, MJ70, EMB175 appear on property anyway?

2) UAX Block Hours are limited to a ratio of UAX Block Hours versus UA Narrow Body block hours. The cap is 120%.


3) Currently UAX flies 112% of the block hours that UA NB flies so in theory UAX can add 8% BH capacity and swap out 255 50 seaters for 70 seaters.

Going with our assumptions, we can assume 8% growth for UAX. And with bigger, more comfortable and capable planes. Thats 8% more hours with 52% more seats per plane. That's a lot more ASMs in UAX.

4) Right now UAX has about 80 76 seaters. In the new TA when UAX reaches 153 76 seaters the ratio of UAX to UA Block Hours goes down.

Yes. If if if! and only if they exceed this number. Is there any evidence this management will voluntarily expand our flying at the expense of UAX?


5) If the company does nothing but buy 76 seaters to replace the 50 seaters this clause quickly becomes overly restrictive so the company is forced to buy and fly 90 seaters to then trigger a clause allowing them to buy more 76 seaters.

This would be great if the company did the right thing by us, its customers and the profession. Do you trust them to do this?

6) At the end of the game the ratio of UA BH to UAX BH goes down from it's current 112% to something closer to 30% and even though they add more seats per plane the net reduction in block hours is designed to exceed the increase in RSMs.

Again, this relies on the company to add 76 seaters to the max; Delta's management at least showed their willingness to park 50 seat and add 717s; can you give an actual example of our management making such a good faith effort?

BTW, the UAL fleet plan shows a loss of 4 CRJ200 and a gain of 14 ERJs in 2012 for a net gain of 10. Not exactly following Delta's lead.




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