"the CAL guys get it and don't want this turd foisted upon them by the U pilot group"

So far I am not impressed by any of this rhetoric from the CAL side at all.

The only "give" (when compared to the current CAL contract) I consistently read here are the changes in reserve. As far as the rest goes it appears to me this TA is more than just a minor improvement in the current CAL contract.

Now here are the "gives" I read:

1. My basic hourly pay is not as high as the DAL pilots.
2. I wanted more in the pay banding.
3. I wanted more "retro" pay.
4. Those UAL Airbus pilots got too much.
5. Movable days off? I wanted to get rid of that.
6. I don't get enough pay/longevity credit in the ISL (even though I never had any guarantee of any credit in the current contracts, UAL or CAL).
7. Those UAL pilots want my Captains position and seniority by agreeing to this TA.
8. And finally the winner, I think Moak get's paid too much!

Yes times are tough for the CAL pilots and this "turd" of a contract.

Is this contract the "best" and is there MORE money available? My guess is the answer is NO to both. Send it back and this blog will be writing the same things a year from now. This is like a dog chasing its tail, believing he will be able to bite it off and always out of his reach.

If this passes just think about all the ranting and accusations that will be flying during and after the ISL.