80 and Bar - just remember the following. If we did our job as well as they do their job, there'd be smoking craters all over the south east. It's exactly why we take up issue with lateral encroachment on the flight ops silo. No one is as meticulous, or precise as us. The words, "will", "should", and "may" have real life and death consequences for us. HR Rep feeling stressed - she leaves at 415pm on Friday, or turns her Outlook off. ACS bigwigs try and spew the company line about the symbolism of a Delta pilot in uniform. But it wasn't the HR department, or ACS, or IFS, or the IRS that made the Delta pilot a symbol. We did. Us. Not them. So while I may lob a counter point to stir discussion, it's because the reason we aren't doing this isn't because we don't want to, or because we're dodging it, it's because we're leading by example, and we're getting sick of the messes generated by our support staff that end up being mitigated by us. That's why we're the symbol. Because flights ops runs the show. I'd like to see HR generate $36 billion in revenue from their cubicle with a view.