I haven't flown with any or met any yet at JB. I have heard of a few. I am not arguing the CBA. We need one. But your argument about the pay being below industry standard is just wrong. Just because it is below what you value yourself at doesn't mean it is not industry standard. You and your seven like minded buddies on hear make JB seem like a life sentence, wake up call it is actually a good place to work. Yeah it is no FedEx or DAL. However, Look at the peer seet evaluation for this year, or do the math yourself. Our pay as a stand alone issue is at or above industry standard on the 320, as for the 190 we are industry leading by far. As you and your seven other buddies keep saying "those are the facts" and in your world you can't argue the facts. You guys are a broken record and you need to keep the focus where we need it. Medical, LTD, retirement, merger and some other areas are why we need a CBA. Lets wait to see if they still follow their "peer set" group before we pass judgement on them in regards to pay. I believe in leading with facts over leading with assumptions.