Originally Posted by
Climbto450
I haven't flown with any or met any yet at JB. I have heard of a few. I am not arguing the CBA. We need one. But your argument about the pay being below industry standard is just wrong. Just because it is below what you value yourself at doesn't mean it is not industry standard. You and your seven like minded buddies on hear make JB seem like a life sentence, wake up call it is actually a good place to work. Yeah it is no FedEx or DAL. However, Look at the peer seet evaluation for this year, or do the math yourself. Our pay as a stand alone issue is at or above industry standard on the 320, as for the 190 we are industry leading by far. As you and your seven other buddies keep saying "those are the facts" and in your world you can't argue the facts. You guys are a broken record and you need to keep the focus where we need it. Medical, LTD, retirement, merger and some other areas are why we need a CBA. Lets wait to see if they still follow their "peer set" group before we pass judgement on them in regards to pay. I believe in leading with facts over leading with assumptions.
Our problem is that the established Peerset process does not allow unsigned TA in the comparison. That is TAs/pay rates that are legally binding as of the Aug review period. (I believe they can use the 1Jan pay scale, but only current/existing contracts). Thus any CBA that is signed after Aug is ignored till the next years. That puts us upwards of 12-16 months behind on pay till we can get the next peer review. We are ALWAYS playing catchup and thus losing money when compaired to our peers.
Second is that JetBLue wants to change the peer set to exclude additional major airline. They already exclude cargo carriers who are major airlines. They double count USAir (east and west) helping drag our pay lower. Now they want to exclude "long haul carriers" and include not majors who we compete against like spirit, virgin america, and allegeant (who we do not compete against in any significant way at all).
Third is that JetBlue wants to change the process to the crap they sent out that lets management determine the peer set and run the new process with its established timeline so they can have 1Jan pay raises inplace for 1Jan. The problem with this is that it takes away the PVC power and approval authority of the peer set. It ignores the current process agreed to by management and the PVC. It makes the PVC advisory only. This is the same way they rammed FSM 2010 down our throats by making the PVC advisory only. However, the PVC charter has it in writing and the company can not just change it without the PVC approval.
Thus we are always behind and playing catch up. we have no catch up provision for new TAs signed mid year. JetBlue ignores some of the highest paid peers/major airlines (UPS and Fedex). So we are constantly paid below the average. You also try to include premium pay as a factor that catches us up or makes us higher paid. The problem is that you ignore similar premium pay/overrides/special pay that many other majors gets for extra flying. Every carriers is different and has different triggers, but you ignore thier contribituons to their total pay. Thus we are always behind. Losing millions of $$$$ over a career!
Just my opinion......
FNG