Old 12-04-2012 | 12:39 PM
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johnso29
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Originally Posted by gojo
I didn't say that at all, but Delta is leading the way. And I'm talking all the way down to ground handling. It's pathetic what their doing to Regional elite, Pinnacle, and what they've already done to comair. I'm appalled that you think it's ok??? I suspect I'd hear a different tune if you were on the other side. I'm not sure why your point of view is so lopsided. I would think as a moderator you'd be more open minded.
Being a moderator does not exclude me from having an opinion. And you keep missing my point. At no time have I posted that I was not turned off by what Delta is doing to RES. I stated that what is happening to 9E is not Delta PILOTS fault. You are the one that continues to imply that I have no problem with Delta dropping the guantlet on their outsourced help. Outsourcing is a nasty part of business, & all industries are guilty of it. I'm sure Pinnacle is guilty of outsourcing to lower paying jobs, but I don't see pilots leaving their jobs because of it.


Originally Posted by gojo
I agree that Pinnacle's management has been less than stellar, but Delta guided them into banruptcy, and is pulling the strings through the bankruptcy process. Pinnacle's management, as well as others, are like puppets. They do whatever Delta tells them too. Do you think it was a coincidence that Pinnacle got rid if their Saabs and Q 400's that we flew for United and Continental? No, It was a condition for Delta to provide the DIP financing that we fly for no one else.
Of course they did!! Why in the world would Delta provide financing to Pinnacle that in turn would support their competitors lift?!!!!!? If you ran a business, would you loan money to someone who in turn would use it to provide services for one of your competitors? I highly doubt you would. Also, was 9E management forced to accept DIP financing from Delta? Were the terms were laid out before hand?

Originally Posted by gojo
Ask youself what Delta has to gain if Pinnacle is successful in setting a new bottom in the regional indusrty? They get to maximize their profits even more at the expense of others. We are already under paid. And that's going to set off a chain reaction for the rest of DCI to follow. You said youself that you flew a 50 seater for more than what most people make flying 51+ seats. I'd be willing to be that it wasn't as a Delta connection.

Delta gains cheap terms. That means higher profits. That's business, & all Legacy airlines are guilty of it. It's a nasty part of the industry. Delta is not the only one guilty of whipsaw. It was happening under Continental's fist when I was at CoEx. AMR is doing it to Eagle. It's part of the industry, & it sucks.
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