I figured when I launched this salvo I didnt have the correct info...I have a friend 767capt from UPS that said they still have pfes. Im sure they dont hire any off the street anymore. ABX air does not hire pfes either. That was the old days...they also got the option to upgrade to the right seat and the company would pay for it. Some of the highlites of the upgrade were: com/multi/inst and 500hrs of multi time (I think) and you can (if your seniority will hold it) fly the right seat of the 767. am I the only one that thinks one should have a little more than 500hrs to be in a widebody?? It was a sweet deal any way u cut it. I sat sideways on the c-141 and thought I knew alot about flying. Its different when U get to the window seat. I also prefer to look back and see a grey hair around the edges in that third seat, because lets face it on a DC-8 u need a guy that knows what hes doing.