Honestly, I don't have VX's initial payrates or QOL package. I only have the latest one. I don't know what it was in 2007 or 2008.

But this is a sidestep. VX's size is too small to make a negotiating imprint on a carrier the size of Delta, United, Continental, American. Delta, United, and Continental got a new pilot contract with wages far higher than any other airline, and they did it without having management saying "look at VX, they have 52 airplanes, and they are flying it for XX." United pilots got management to agree that a 12 yr A320 captain should be getting $197/hr this year.

The same cannot be said for Pinnacle's predicament. Pinnacle is right now the same order, the same size, as other regionals like Skywest, ASA, Republic, Eagle, ExpressJet. All those airlines are now or will soon be in section 6 negotiations. What happens with Pinnacle now will definitely setup the industry landscape for future regional operations. It will definitely set up the landscape for DCI regionals, there's no doubt. Delta is dealing with Pinnacle personally, and once this is set and if it passes, then Delta will use this against all other regionals in the DCI portfolio.