It's obvious Grumble is having problems following the Co-Founders directive to move this thread along to the Union Application debate. Can I make the suggestion that he gets banned from the thread?

He's still busy struggling to find anything, JUST ANYTHING, to discredit someone he sees as an adversary who's taking him to school. There, there Grumble. I know. This whole concept scares you. Take it easy.

The thing you have to try discrediting is that Unions might not be able to help with this. You ready for that?