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Old 01-05-2013 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by CheckPower
Well played Pinchanickled but once again you left out some important information. Neither options address the benefits of the TA to a very junior pilot and to the industry as a whole.

If you had the choice:

A) Keep your job a little while longer to build up your flight time, get your ATP to make yourself more marketable and all the other perks in the TA plus $2000 for 0-1st year longevity, save the aircraft we have left from going to S5 and Gojets which lowers the bar even more for your next negotiations.

OR

B) Become unemployed


What would you personally choose? And yes this is a direct question for you to answer, a simple A or B will suffice.

And while were at it, I will repost the other two questions I posed to you, just in case you missed them or just forgot to answer them.

1) Pinchanickled, if you were making $75K to $120k per year, would you be so eager to give that up for the sake of the industry and the good of other pilots? Just curious, an honest yes or no answer please with an explanation if you dont mind. Thanks

2) Also, in all sincerity, could you explain how it will benefit the industry when our airplanes go to a carrier that will fly them for less than we can, even with our concessionary TA? Keep in mind that three other carriers have already bid for our flying in the event the TA doesnt pass and they are cheaper than us with our TA.

Pinchanickled, please understand that I am not trying to attack you. I am sincerely looking for a rational arguement that would sway my vote from yes to no. Most of you dont have all the information regarding this TA so its difficult to make an informed decision. I understand that.

To everyone else, I am just curious. How would you all honestly vote if you were in our situation given the above information?

This TA sucks. Unemployment sucks more.






You guys still crack me up

Nothing personal to you as I don't know you and will not judge your moral character on a pilot forum. However this type of view when voting is kind of what got pilots in the debacle that they are in at the moment. Being part of a "union" yet only thinking about themselves as the voter.

I think (hope) we are seeing a change within this toxic culture of professional pilots. A change where a vote is more about the group (all pilots in the industry) as a whole, rather than the voter himself. People need to look around an weigh out the situation before they vote. Some vote out of spite. Some out of greed. But I hear a lot more about people voting yes/no when the outcome may not favor themselves only.

So when you point out that voting no will most likely result in an unfavorable situation for the voter himself remember he has probably thought of that. Quite possibly for once he feels taking one for the team is the best course of action.

I for one think airlines need some type of accountability. For as far as airlines go back, poor management has been bailed out so many times by the very pilot groups that followed them so loyally. Rock bottom has been hit and the job is sort of on the fence when it comes to sacrificing yours if it means management has to look else where to be cost competitive to emerge from years of incompetence.

Pilots need to stand up for themselves . Not their jobs.
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