Always has been and always will be an empty red-herring used to to try and silence the union dissenters. When was the last time any CEO came to the pilot group and said "Gee guys, we're all outta ideas up here. Got any solutions???" We're here to make get people from A to B safely. Unless your "solution" is to increase the bottom line (i.e. paycuts), management doesn't look to us for our input or feedback. The "solution" of taking 3 steps back (i.e. living to fight another day) is exactly what has brought this industry to the tumultuous state it's in today. Belliott stated it very well. Got any solutions that DON'T involve kicking the industry in the nuts, Check?