Originally Posted by
sandlapper223
It's not an upgrade program, it is a PIC type. Many airlines give PIC types to their FO's during initial. Many here, including you, are confusing the issue. A PIC type (or SIC type for that matter) is not the end all be all, don't forget 14 CFR 121.434:
"No certificate holder may use a person nor may any person serve as a required crewmember of an airplane unless the person has satisfactorily completed, on that type airplane and in that crewmember position, the operating experience, operating cycles, and the line operating flight time for consolidation of knowledge and skills, required by this section..."
Sure, the type is on the ticket, but without completing the company's upgrade program, the FO is still an FO, just with a PIC type.
The FAA who removes the PIC type of an upgrade applicant who completes the type ride but not OE does this not to prevent him or her from renting or buying a CRJ, as you say, but because he or she DID NOT complete the course. This is the same logic as an individual who went to Higher Power for the B737 type (with no time in type) to snag a PIC job with it. Ain't gonna happen. The logbook is the key.
Yeah sure, a CRJ PIC type looks great on the back, but without the PIC time in the book it is only a "placeholder."
No, there is no confusion on my part. You are confusing my post with 121 vs 91. I'm perfectly aware that with this program you are not qualified to act as 121 PIC with just this training and not completing the upgrade cour at your 121 airline. However you are perfectly legal and qualified to PIC a part 91 aircraft in whatever you got your 121 ATP/non-upgrade training in. Doesn't matter if it's "realistic expectations" or not. And the part about the FAA yanking the types of the guys who did not complete IOE.....explain to me why EVERYBODY who does not complete IOE does not get their type rating yanked? Like I explained, it was a 3 month or so timeframe at a specific FSDO and they did this for that very reason. The FED's words from when I asked him, not mine.