Originally Posted by
Bucking Bar
PG,
How have our Reps spoken when a meeting has not been held? Where is the record of their vote?
I'm guessing they have. It's called a telephone and/or email. What is there to vote on? That Delta negotiated a contract with a 3rd party that they are perfectly permitted to do? See the last couple of paragraphs of my response to scambo.
Is your only issue that Pinnacle management was (allegedly) taken out of the loop? Do you really think previous ASA and CMR managements were pulling the strings during negotiations when they were wholly owned? Really? Would you have a problem with this whole thing if there were a few 9E managers sitting in the room on the sidelines doing nothing of substance?
Originally Posted by
Bucking Bar
On a slightly different topic, no less than the likes of David Behnke lost in a dispute with ALPA staff. Anyone who does not realize the political power of their office does not know ALPA history.
I'll take your word for it. It's probably a good thing that no one man have so much power. Yet, the complaint of many on here is exactly that - that LM single handedly runs this entire organization, and does whatever he fancies. Implied in that, also is the assumption that he's doing it all for his own benefit, not the benefit of the ~50,000 pilots he represents.
By all appearances, 9E was in bankruptcy, and in fear of liquidation. It really doesn't matter whether that was a real crisis or a manufactured one as claimed by the "experts" on this board. If true, then the 9E MEC did what I would expect my MEC to do -- find a way to mitigate the negative impact of that looming disaster as much as possible. And since they are in ALPA, they used all the resources that ALPA provides. They also didn't do ANYTHING that violates our PWA, at least no one has been able to show me that.
I'm no lawyer, nor an expert on the ALPA C&BL, but it seems the intent of that language is to have consultations occur when one pilot group is potentially limiting the flying of another. I see none of that in the 9E agreement. They are fighting for their slice of flying that is outside the scope of our agreement, and they got a contract that provides a certain amount of that.
Again, to repeat, if there had been 2-3 9E managers sitting in the room (and do we really know whether there were?), and this exact same agreement had been signed, with their names on the bottom (and do we know who really signed it), would you have a problem with it?
And lastly, I have no desire or intentions to carry on this web debate all weekend. I have better things to do. I elect reps whose job it is to do this, and I trust them to do their job. I'm also smart enough to know that they know infinitely more than I do on the issue, and will ultimately make the right decision, given all the facts.