Originally Posted by
Bucking Bar
First, thank you for your civility.
And you, for yours.
Originally Posted by
Bucking Bar
There is a short answer and a much longer answer to your question. The short answer is:
BEFORE: Delta flying, as defined in our PWA, is all Delta Air Lines system flying. We permit some of that flying to be flown by others in accordance with the terms of our PWA.
NOW: Delta flying is defined, and limited by, our PWA. Flying not performed by the Delta pilots is not Delta flying.
I apologize for being slow, but I just don't understand your point. I'm trying.... I really am. How do you come to this conclusion. I'm no Section 1 expert, as I've said before, but it seems to me, that we've always had certain flying that we don't do. And Delta is generally free to do whatever they want in those areas, subject to whatever restrictions we place on them. How is the current situation any different? In the past, they made an agreement with Pinnacle Inc. to fly certain portions of the flying that the Delta pilots didn't fly. Now, they've done the same. Pinnacle IS still a subsidiary of Delta, right? The Pinnacle pilots are Pinnacle employees, not Delta employees, right?
Originally Posted by
Bucking Bar
When it was observed that Pinnacle's Bridge Agreement does modify the Delta PWA Section 1 in numerous places (1D11, 1D12, f-NWA LOA language)...
You're gonna have to speak slowly again. Let's take them one section at a time. Here's 1D11:
The Company will fill a minimum of 35% of the aggregate of all positions in Delta pilot new-hire classes in each trailing twelve-month period (to the extent airmen are available) with ALPA-represented airmen at Delta Connection Carriers, subject to such airmen meeting the Company’s competitive hiring standards, and subject to the Company’s objectives for diversity and experience among newly hired pilots. Airmen who flow up pursuant to LOA #9 and LOA #10 count toward satisfaction of such minimum percentage.
How does the Pinnacle agreement violate that? If you're saying its due to the hiring standards issue, I think we have to wait and see who ultimately comes on board to determine whether they fit that bill. And even if some don't, then the Company could (rightfully, imo) say that individual doesn't count toward the 35% number, but still be in compliance, so long as they DO hire a minimum of 35% who do.
Originally Posted by
Bucking Bar
So what changed are the definitions of Delta flying and scope. I see no reason why these changes would not be operable to Virgin Atlantic, Alaska, or any other group that wanted to sit down and do deals with Delta management.
I have no problem with any of those groups sitting down and doing deals with Delta for the flying that we have already stated we don't do.