Originally Posted by Jack Bauer

One of these decades ignorant pilots will learn to think for themselves. When carrots are dangled (ie talk of new planes, net positive growth, hiring, etc) they will laugh and realize it's the same nonsense management/ALPA sold and burned them with the last several times. Until this enlightenment occurs prepare for even more outsourcing, productivity, poorer quality of life and stagnation. It's understandable the senior guys will always go for the money grab to pad the ol retirement. For those at the middle or bottom of the list that vote yes for these things, please ask someone to slap you silly in the face until you can knock free whatever it is that makes your judgement decay when faced with a little salesmanship and koolaid. Send back that $1000 vacuum cleaner while you're at it.