Originally Posted by
Rogue24
Gloopy, and Bar you ever think:
From what I have been told from a different point of view:
The fine print in both of theses agreements is the DAL PWA still supersedes them. I have heard the argument wrt to these agreements, that though it is a direct relationship/agreement with Delta Air Lines, Inc, they are only guaranteeing their part of the "permitted flying" as defined under our PWA and if our PWA changes its at Delta's knowledge and concurrence of these documents they signed. Delta would be dutifully bound to our PWA and its new limits. They signed it. What many say is neither of these direct DCI agreements bind Delta to flying other than what is currently permitted and if that changes their agreements are subject to the change. (Permitted flying changes these agreements change)The end cap statement is it does not change "permitted flying" to "excess bargaining" and ultimately not scopeable by another carrier(this will still hold true with all other permitted flying in Section1 as well), meaning we are free to recapture and define permitted flying it at our desire.
Talk to your reps and get their take on what they know. What I posted above is what I am hearing as the answer to your concerns.
IMHO, you are putting the cart in front of the horse. Since there is no harm to Delta pilots under current language, there must not have been a violation.
You and I agree "... if our PWA changes its at Delta's knowledge and concurrence of these documents they signed. Delta would be dutifully bound to our PWA and its new limits." I am asking, what if Pinnacle changes it's agreement, could the converse hold true? If not, why not?
Rather than risk that possibility, I am more comfortable with the Delta MEC first being notified so that:
- Timely objections can be made, if necessary
- We can coordinate with other pilot groups
- MEC / National communications can be coordinated
This notice is what the Admin Manual requires. We see direct evidence that the Admin Manual wasn't followed. I agree there was no great harm. We still have to address the violation to prevent mistakes in the future.