Originally Posted by
JoeMerchant
Nevets, as the saying goes...You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.....
There is absolutely nothing that can stop you guys from using Smartpref for phase 1 just like you are doing for phase 2. Why don't you guys start using Smartpref for phase 1? What is stopping you? Prove us wrong. If it is successful, then your pilots will be as happy as our pilots are with flightline.....What is stopping you? It isn't our MEC.
Originally Posted by
JoeMerchant
Why don't you push your MEC to implement Smartpref for phase 1 bidding? We aren't stopping you. If you guys like it as much as we like flightline, maybe you can convince the majority here.
Originally Posted by
JoeMerchant
Get busy then....We already have done that and are happy with our results...If you can do better, then go ahead and do it and stop talking about it...
This is the essence of the debate....We have a negotiated PBS system that is in use and is liked....You have a theoretical PBS system that hasn't been negotiated, isn't in use, and isn't liked by your own pilots....
Why would we want to swap out a negotiated system that works and is liked for a theoretical system that isn't currently used or liked?
What does it say to our side when your side doesn't even want it?
Originally Posted by
Bozo
Yes and you have tried to get our guys to cut language for those rules.
So you have no works rules for either the XJT side or the ASA side. Where we have work rules for the ASA and none for the XJT side.
Would it be easier to negotiate work rules for 1 side since the other already has them? Would it be easier to program changes to a PBS system for 1 side or 2 sides?
You must be like your MEC, not living in the reality of the situation. Why? Because that is what our MEC decided to compromise on to move this merger forward. Despite the line pilots preferring our line bidding, they moved their position to smartpref. Now its up to your MEC to compromise. Or the company will start placing dual class RJs somewhere other than ASA. Anyway, this is all about moving goal posts. Smartpref is being implemented, its bugs are being worked out, its being reprogrammed for our work rules, its being tested for improvements, and its working like its supposed to be to the satisfaction of most. So you have to change your argument which was that it had no customers, its unproven, no work rules, everyone will hate it, etc. Also, its been shown that flight line in its current incarnation would be a decrease in QOL to the XJT side. And that's with vacation low, which has already been conceded. Smartpref doesn't require vacation low so no negotiating capital will be required to keep it in flight line, which like I said, would be a decrease in QOL anyway. Make sense yet?
Originally Posted by
Bozo
The company said no in DEC.
With the problems that you are having just on a small scale use at this time do you have enough faith in SP to turn it on for 4700 pilots? Have you fixed the CDO issue?
The company said yes in the summer but your MEC turned dual tracks down back then. Plus, there are no problems with smartpref. The bugs that it does have are being worked out but most everyone that has used it has been happy with it. By the way, flight line didn't have the ability to award lines with CDOs. Our contract doesn't allow building of any lines with it so the CDO reprogram has been put on hold for now. But it was in the works, just not a priority at this time.
Originally Posted by
Bozo
Lets tell the truth. Company does not want SP on. They know that it will not work in a full bidding cycle with all the pilots in all the bases.
This is false. They will take smartpref or some watered down version of flight line without vacation low. But they prefer that smartpref comes up with a viable solution the first time without subjective human interaction, manipulation of thresholds, unstacking, sort bias, coin tosses, etc.