The problem in this instance was a crew unfamiliar with icing conditions, who did a reverse thrust power back out of the gate and covered the engine probes with ice. They therefore had erroneously high EPR indications resulting in far reduced power settings. The first officer mentioned it twice on the roll but was ignored by the captain. Perfectly good jet hits the 14th Ave, bridge because crew were unfamiliar with deicing and departure procedures in icing conditions.

You have to wonder, with respect to CZ, what else they miss because they obviously do not understand the physics behind flying airplanes. Typical push button mentality of these fly-by-night airlines.

So, does ALPA have any input into what carriers we deadhead on? Isn't safety our number one priority (or is it VEBA, I get confused sometimes).