Originally Posted by
Scott Stoops
Please, please please read the Delta award. In my opinion, that will be used as somewhat of a template for the UCH award with the exception of the recent addition of longevity as a consideration that didn't exist in ALPA policy at the time of the Delta list. Longevity was clearly added to avoid a Usair Nic #2 result. Just covering their butts if you ask me. If you read the Delta award closely, you'll quickly realize that the bottom number in any seat/fleet/domicile really doesn't come into play (with the exception of no bump flush) as those super junior positions likely indicate a less desirable lifestyle (super junior, crappy life on reserve, blah, blah, blah.)
In fact, it came out more as a category(wide cap, narrow cap, etc), seat, and the number of jobs those entailed with some pullouts and reinsertions based on a number of factors. It did not matter what seat you actually bid, as they're simply slots where the legacy list pilots get slotted back into based on whatever the final list comes out for each category. You will not move on your legacy list relative to the other pilots on the list. Clearly, adding longevity into the equation changes the Delta award solution somewhat, but what the junior position is as a percentage of the list has historically not mattered in the final award. What matters is total jobs, based on category and seat.
FWIW, from a young mid-seniority L-UAL guy (3603 of ?) that has 26 years to go.
Scott
Scott, I hope you understand that when I disagree with you, it's not to disrespect you. I know your reputation and consider you to be one of the best, hope to fly with you some day.
What I was trying to illustrate (and argue against) was the theory that junior pilots are holding lCal Captain out of place because more senior pilots are staying FO. I'll bet that if you ignore DOH and go by overall seniority percentage, the same argument could be made for lUal pilots, and the airlines would compare closely. Neither airline has an "up or out" mandatory Captain upgrade, so it would be interesting to compare the junior lCal Captain in each fleet vs the same lUal Captain/fleet.
Upon further review I think Captain at lUal will go higher because of the lower FO hourly rates in the previous contract. But I still think they'll be within 5% overall system senority.