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Old 02-09-2013 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
It was a definite large "gain" in the aggregate for the pilot group. One that I worry will rapidly degenerate into asinine little seniority bubble "empires" where double/triple dipping lawyer-ball players will double or triple their pay as a reward for being martyrs by buddy bidding with LCA's to prime the pump. I do not support that, at all. The previous recovery obligations were excessive, but I'd swiftly trade back the "no recovery" for other gains for the entire pilot group while ensuring adequate protections for trips bid for and awarded.

Like same footprint, not one minute earlier on the front end and not one minute later on the back end, and all hotels in domiciles paid for between days if necessary. But I don't want to see a handful of guys scamming the system by buddy bidding with check airmen and basically getting their entire schedules dropped and then going back in and white slipping for double net pay or green slipping for triple net pay, all month, every month, as supposed reparations for being victimized for the very thing they guaranteed would happen. That is not a "good for you!" pro-pilot ataboy; that is a rediculous scam that a select few will be able to play and that all of us will have to fund, one way or the other.

While we're at it, let's bring back touch drop vacations and add back in the 6th week, that way a couple guys can bid two 12 day carry out trips and never work! Weeeeeeeeeee!

The new hire lock was fair, and the recovery parameters needed to be fixed. But it went way too far the other way and we are all paying for that. It may not be that big of a deal now, but like you said, when things really pick up, this could rapidly degenerate into an extremely expensive scam for a select few, and we need to be ready to trade that out for more reasonable remedies.
????

The pilot group finally gets a big win and you think that its unfair because all of the senior FO's will gravitate to bidding with LCA?

How would that be any different than them using their seniority to fly: only week days, all the Rome layovers, bid off on the holidays, etc...?

They aren't guaranteed to be off the trip just because they are flying with a LCA.

I can't think of anything negative about this for the pilot group. People are still limited to the max pick up.