Firemen,

No I was not saying that. I was attempting to show V that his attempt to blame the down turn of our industry to low cost and non union airlines was very narrow minded and needed to look in the mirror and see that more than just these have partaken in the cause of lower rates. I used UAL and DAL as an example because of their high pay raises they got proir to 911. I do agree Mangments would have filed any way and used it as an excuse and ran with it. Our industry ossilates so much you could point the finger in many directions but to put ALL blame on everone at lower cost and non union is not feasable when the finger could be coming back at you V.

I do believe that with retirements and a shortage of pilots that it will drive payrates up again. Supply and demand.

I do appreciate the history lesson V and hope you change your tactics towards other pilots on your jump seat. For me if they are on our reciprocal list they go. Even if I did not agree of their position in the industry, the cockpit is no place for politics and vendettas. What goes around comes around. Actually you could use that time to promote the union instead of condeming others.