Originally Posted by
sailingfun
.. If the contract had in fact cost us thousands of jobs or even hundreds of jobs this bid would have had a massive net displacement. Instead it has a net positive numbers of AE's and is substantially positive for Captains which is what moves people to the left seat. They have already put out that this bid clears the surplus copilots and follow on bids this year are expected to be almost all AE's. I call that good news.
P.S. We were supposed to retire a bunch of 757's during the next year. At least one for one with 737-900's coming on the property. Combine that with the massive loss of jobs from work rule concessions posted on here you would have expected 200 to 300 Captains to be displaced from the aircraft. Instead we added 3 Captains net on the767. How do you explain that?
Bogus analysis. You always spin it the same way, as if instantly the rise and fall of inventory of planes and pilots doesn't exist-- "If it was so bad, we would
instantly on this AE see hundreds of displacements!"
WRONG. It WAS bad, and we ARE seeing hundreds of bad things-- you just spin it like they don't exist. What we are seeing is the evaporation of the hiring that
would have been required. This is exactly like Safety work... just because there are no visible plane crashes, doesn't mean something huge didn't happen safety wise. What we are seeing is :
1. No hiring, when the company would have been required to hire.
2. Small amount of narrowbody capt spots funded from displaced widebody, when they would have been funded from FOs moving UP instead of wide Capts moving down.
3. Small amount of total vacancies, when they would have required hundreds more instead.
4. Some possible advancement for some in top 50%, who've already been sitting at the top of this pyramid scheme 5 years longer than anyone was ever supposed to, when it was deemed an acceptable pyramid of inequity... ZERO advancement for those at the bottom of the pyramid, who've been sitting there for 14 years or so now.
Here's something sinkr8 or gloopy would write to explain it:
You're like a rich cattleman, looking at a turd a coyote just laid and say, "Well hey, this is nowhere near as smelly and large as it could have been! And very soon this coyote says he'll stop cr pping altogether He's going vegetarian! And come on, he can't really eat my cows!" We look at the same turd as poor land-croppers who can only aspire to owning poultry and say, "Yeah, but that wolf ate all my chickens and rabbits!"
And I guess I should defuse your standard attack/response by saying I love working for Delta, I love coming to work, I have several alternate plans and income sources, I want the best for the airline and investors, I don't want to quit and work somewhere else and shouldn't have to just because I speak up when I see someone twisting truth into a palatable lie, I'm 99% enthused about everything Delta is doing and the other 1% is probably good for the owners, I wear my hat and coat and actually like them a bit, I do everything I can to make folks fly Delta just like you do...
I just disagree on the pilot-count results of the TA. That's it. I don't even necessarily disagree on whether something better was even possible! I'm smart enough to recognize medicine and when I need it... but it absolutely irks me when someone tries to tell me the fish-oil they're feeding me is candy, and my taste-buds are lying to me.