Dave, the history of the various CAL pilot groups is difficult to follow even if you worked there and just short of impossible if you didn't. The term "FMR" obviously doesn't make any more sense to you than the term "570" does to most LCAL pilots. While the acronym might have been unfortunate, FMRs were simply low time pilots fresh out of school who were sent to the commuters to build time before they were brought back to mainline PE. Many PE pilots had collateral jobs, yet really weren't management. Think of it like being in the military where you had a ground job in addition to flying. The majority of FMRs are great guys and girls. The reason they are frequently spoken of so disparagingly is our lead negotiators for C97 (Jackson Martin) and the concessionary C02 (Tom Stivala) were both FMRs who went to management almost immediately after the contracts were negotiated. While Stivala is more recent and the wound is fresher, Martin went to work opposing us in grievances and negotiations, and has done much more damage. When we've had a dispute, Martin has been able to say he knows the intent because he negotiated the contract, thus cutting the union off at the knees. It got so bad the term "Martinized" actually came into use within the union. One good thing about the JCBA is it takes "Martinization" off the table. I got hired a decade after the FMR program, so even I don't fully understand LCAL's history.