Originally Posted by
Snarge
missing the point for your own justification?
Both sides get wings and retirement recognition... the delivery is the point that goes to the culture....
The CAL guys JCBA culture was FUPM.... IOW, treat me scrappy just pay me... the UAL guys wanted work rules and protections...
And the CAL guys justification for voting no on the JCBA was "you don't know CAL management". However, they had no idea how we got what we got and more importantly, how we were going to get a better contract after voting no. Finally, if management violates the contract anyway, then it goes to the CAL pilot mentality... of treat me crappy.. just pay me...
The CAL guys have an opportunity here to take the UAL pilot culture and make it work for them....
Have you worked both sides... ?
You miss the point completely. We are not talking about chump change here. I know FOs at CAL who have made just under 200K for the past 10 years, I know Captains at CAL who have made over 250 for the past several years. All the while your A320 guys were taking it in the shorts. The rest of your pilots, while not as bad, were taking it in the shorts also. I still ask, how do you pay for your child's college with all the stuff that you United guys seem to hold so dear.
BTW,I like all the work rules as much as the next man, but I just can't make a bank deposit with that stuff. No matter how you slice the pie, if the company prices a particular work rule out at $10.00 per flight hour, that is $10/hour less that I make.
By the time that all the work rules kick in, I will have taken a pay cut under this new UPA. Even with the raise next January, it will still be a pay cut. My QOL will be better, but nevertheless, my pay will be less. Not whining by the way, just stating fact. And this illustrates one of the vast cultural differences, we went for the money, and you went for the work rules.