Originally Posted by
liquid
So now because of your post above EVERY CAL pilot carries open write ups. Not even close to true.
That's what's happened on this thread, what you thought was a simple observation is really NOT that simple.
My post clearly states I do not assume all CAL pilots behave in this manner, but that it is one more piece of personal experience I have that tells me there is a large cultural difference. Not better; not worse. Different. You are putting words in my mouth.
Originally Posted by
liquid
As for your grievance comments, the great perceived injustice of the CAL system bid.
Have you contacted any of the 400+ UAL pilots working on the CAL side to find out if we're understaffed?
Called manpower planning at CAL?
Read the CAL contract?
The CAL side desperately NEEDS pilots, we have for years. Our reserve pilots work 90+ hours a month in the summer, rolled days off, max duty days, 7 days in a row etc... VJM bulletins ALL summer.
No one ever asked why we had the bid, just that the UAL pilots "deserve" those Captain seats, they belong to UAL. HUH? again does that make sense?
You either have an LEC rep or Grievance rep who likes to hear themselves talk, or someone is feeding you info they shouldn't be
As for the bid grievance, I'm afraid you are missing the logic entirely. No one is questioning the need for pilots, and no one is saying UAL pilots "deserve" anything other than their contractual rights. What is in question is what rules govern any
United Airlines pilot vacancy bid now that the UPA has passed.
25-A Amendable Date
This Agreement shall become effective on the date of signing hereof, shall continue in full force and effect through and including January 31, 2017, and shall renew itself without change each succeeding February 1st thereafter unless written notice of intended change is served in accordance with Section 6, Title I, of the Railway Labor Act, as amended, by either party hereto at least thirty (30) days but no more than two hundred seventy (270) days prior to January 31, 2017, or any year thereafter. The parties shall commence direct negotiations with respect to such notice no later than thirty (30) days following the delivery of such notice.
25-B Incorporation of Other Agreements
This Agreement and any Letters of Agreement and Memoranda of Understanding entered into by the parties after the date hereof constitute the sole and entire agreement between the parties while they remain in effect, and shall cancel all Agreements, Supplemental Agreements, Amendments, Letters of Understanding and similar related documents executed between the Company and the Air Line Pilots Association prior to the signing of this Agreement.
Some believe this means neither the TPA nor prior CBAs are in effect. IF that logic holds then the only means of deciding how to implement a bid prior to SLI is through Section 8 and LOA 26. LOA 26 says only the implementation team can decide how to implement a bid and if they can't agree it must go to an arbitrator. This is NOT MY grievance so please do not jump on me personally. I am explaining the logic of the grievance. It is my personal OPINION that the logic is sound, but only some arbitrator in the future will know the answer for sure. We are all United pilots now and any vacancy available to one should be available to all regardless of whether SLI is complete. If that proves problematic then it's up to the Joint Implementation Team to figure out how to resolve the issue, but the company can not unilaterally chose to exclude more than half the pilot population from a large career changing bid simply because it is inconvenient to solve the puzzle. How about 1/2 the bid for each pilot group? How about a temporary list based on relative seniority using the 2010 snapshot? How about delaying the bid until at least September when the SLI is expected to be completed? Anything is better than shutting out more than half the United pilots from a vacancy bid now that we are operating under one unified contract.
NOW THEREFORE, the parties hereto agree as follows:
A General
A-1 This LOA contains the full understandings and complete agreement of the parties regarding the implementation of the terms of the Agreement and the conversion from two separate collective bargaining agreements and two separate flight operations to a single pilot group operating a single operation under a single Agreement.
A-2 Any disputes regarding this LOA that the Joint Implementation Team is unable to resolve shall be referred to a group of four, composed of the MEC Chairmen and two flight operations officials designated by the Company, and if the matter still cannot be resolved, to the dispute resolution procedure identified in Paragraph C of this Letter of Agreement