Originally Posted by
Nevets
Well, I was speaking to Tony's post so when you quote my reply to him, then you inject yourself into our conversation.
Either way, my point is valid. Both sets of language are boiler plate for when they were negotiated. That's the point of pattern bargaining.
Man another armchair negotiator. How many do you guys have? Your guys cant cut langugage, you have to ask our guys for help and then you try to say your language is boiler plate. I didn't see the language that protects you from having bk airline rates used to calculate a new pay rate.
It's just the truth. ALPA national "learns" from prior contracts and on the next one their attorney has the new language put in on the next contract. It's simple pattern bargaining. I do t know why you don't understand that your contract was written after ours and therefore has some boiler plate language that ours doesn't.
But again, that was beside the point. The point being that tony was lamenting the fact that we have arbitration language for new aircraft on our contract, NOT that it didn't exclude bankrupt or non union regionals. I mentioned to him that that was boiler plate language. Obviously he went and looked it up in your contract and low and behold, there is arbitration language for new aircraft in your contract as well. So now he had to change his tune and lament the exclusions instead.
And here you are riding his coat tail on this point that wasn't even being made by him initially.
Originally Posted by
Nevets
Well, I was speaking to Tony's post so when you quote my reply to him, then you inject yourself into our conversation.
Either way, my point is valid. Both sets of language are boiler plate for when they were negotiated. That's the point of pattern bargaining.
There you go again. I'm glad you're such an authority on EVERYTHING!
In legal circles, "boilerplate language" refers to generic legalese which is thrown into every contract, usually as a band-aid or disclaimer to satisfy the lawyers. Here's an example from our contract:
Q. Savings Clause
Should any provision of this Agreement be rendered invalid by
reason of any legislation or other act of any government agency
or declared illegal by any court of competent jurisdiction, such
provision will immediately become null and void, leaving the
remainder of the Agreement in full force and effect.
Your arbitration for new equipment clause is not boilerplate that was thrown in. It is a poorly negotiated and poorly worded piece of trash that is in every way legally binding, and in fact, just totally screwed all of us. As Bozo said, that's because you guys think you're the best and brightest, yet you can't even write good language. You just have a bunch of folks like yourself who think you have all the answers and argue a bad position because you have to "be right".
See my reply to the bozo above.
That was not your argument before. Now you change your tune when you find out you have arbitration clause in your contract as well.