Originally Posted by
gloopy
I was just asking about the new rules. I skimmed them when they first "came out" although many believe at least some of them are still up in the air/a work in progress to some degree. We'll see. I haven't tried to memorize them yet because they are still a little ways off, could be changed, and I only have enough hard drive space for one set of FT/DT rules.
If the domestic hard 16 hour time is still there as an absolute max and is still inclusive of all reserve duty then great. If that is the case, I wish people would stop saying "there is no more Whitlow" and "Whitlow doesn't apply anymore" because if that is true, it is identical to Whitlow in every respect. So why ink the waters saying its not like Whitlow when its exactly like Whitlow?
Anyway as for international, 14 hours is the longest one can be on SC as I remember, but does time spent on SC before being called for a trip count as hours on duty for 2/3/4 man ops or is that just dependant on scheduled block hours for the flight in question relative to the circadian grid and all that?
The new rule does not differ between international and domestic. The difference comes with crew augmentation. That means as a example that if a trip is a two man trip to Europe it falls under the rule I posted. If its a international trip with a augmented crew then you have to go into the max duty time table for augmented crews and add 4 hours to get you total allowed time from the start of short call reserve to release from duty.
From my reading of the entire reserve section to quote a earlier poster its a massive improvement in safety.
Domestic has a worst case of 16 hours and can be better then that depending on report time.
International has gone from zero limits to substantial limits. Without augmentation the limits are the same as domestic. With augmentation you are limited to the tables plus 4 hours and shortcall max is 14 hours.