And do you not think DL/UAL/AA are better companies than JB/NK/VA with brighter futures? Since its not required for me to go to JB,va,Nk to get to DL, and because i was fortunate to upgrade at 9E, I'd like my next move to be my final. I do get what your saying, and we can keep going around and around, but we're pilots, we think every other pilot should have done it the way we did ..