Originally Posted by
gloopy
Just to throw an elbow off the top rope to the deceased equine here, the only thing that's different WRT Pinnacle that I can see is the fact that DL management signed something without our MEC. I share that concern with you. But they didn't sign anything that superseded anything else in our CBA. They basically "negotiated" for scraps directly without us, but they were scraps we separated from our negotating paradigm in the first place. 450 is 450. Who fights it out for those 450 may change, and even if PCL somehow uniquely "locked in" their share of that 450 for 7 years, I think we all know we're not on track union or membership wise to become DCI free in 7 years anyway.
As for TW negotiating directly with DL for what are essentially new hire positions, how is that any different than if DL management negotiated directly for guaranteed interviews with ERAU or WMU or the USANG? Again, I don't like that it happened like that, but I'm not seeing one ounce of additional threat beyond what DL already dealt with WRT ASA/Comair and what AA dealt with WRT Eagle and USAir with Piedemont, etc etc etc.
As for the bolded part above, are you saying we have no scope, and that PCL could fly 320's, 737's, 88's, 90's and 71's for DL right now? If they could do that, why not 767's, 777's, 330's and 747's? If PCL somehow got the "keys to the kingdom" and we're locked out helplessly with no ownership to DL flying, why are we even here?
We do not agree that we small jet scope is
"scraps separated from our negotiating paradigm." I hold
all Delta code is Delta flying and thus a concern of the Delta pilots; as previously defined
under oath by Bill Roberts representing ALPA, and as written in our Constitution and Bylaws, Article II.
It is ours. There is clear direction from ALPA National that small jet flyingis now outside our contract and thus no longer our concern. I am fighting this redefinition of Delta Flying as hard as I possibly can.
With another pilot group seated at the table ( as they will have to be to enforce their contract ) it is only natural for the conversation to drift to items of mutual interest. So... what else is on your mind? Well how about 737's? Yeah you know the Delta pilot comes up in 24 months from now ... so, what you thinking? That C Series is supposed to be a hell of a jet... " and before you know it there are competing proposals, or maybe "supposals," floating around.
While some of our labor leaders do not like ALPA's Admin Manual Section 40, it exists to stop competing proposals ever going to management. The Admin Manual serves to protect us, we should not ignore it.
There's a good bit of anecdotal evidence to support the assumption that a RFP was sent to regional contractors' management prior to C2012 negotiations to cost out management's scope ideas. We can't stop that from happening one company to another, but maybe we can prevent pilots from being participants in such whipsaw.