Shy i try not to bash you because I do not know you.(And I try not to bash anyone) But bringing up how Colgan was a "non-union growth machine" isnt that what Virgin is? They are non union and are growing because they can undercut mainline. I know you like to say do not compare VA to DAL or other legacy's you can only compare to Spirit and Jet Blue. But In my opinion you have to compare all planes that fly it to the same base. They are all competing for the same PAX. You can't tell me Delta only fly's business travellers. I am pretty sure Business travellers do not travel in flip flops and i see a ton of those all the time.