Originally Posted by
IBPilot
delete.........
You do this far too often. You write something (probably over emotional) and then you take it back so by the time I see it, it just says "deleted." Get your train of thought down properly and stand by what you say.
Originally Posted by tom14cat14
Shy i try not to bash you because I do not know you.(And I try not to bash anyone) But bringing up how Colgan was a "non-union growth machine" isnt that what Virgin is? They are non union and are growing because they can undercut mainline. I know you like to say do not compare VA to DAL or other legacy's you can only compare to Spirit and Jet Blue. But In my opinion you have to compare all planes that fly it to the same base. They are all competing for the same PAX. You can't tell me Delta only fly's business travellers. I am pretty sure Business travellers do not travel in flip flops and i see a ton of those all the time.
It's still an entirely different scenario. Remember, Pinnacle Corp owned 9E and then bought Colgan. They used the NWA convertible note of $191 million to secure Colgan (20 million) and the new Qs for delivery. All the while telling 9E pilots they were too expensive and the ALPA contract demand would bankrupt the company. 9E downgraded and displaced pilots while Colgan (non-union) grew tremendously, much more than they could handle - as mentioned by line pilots in 'Flying Cheap' on PBS. The only way your analogy would work is if Delta Corp owned both Delta airlines and Virgin America, and then announced that Virgin would be getting the 100 new Boeing 737NGs and Delta would be parking the older A320s and 757s. Then it would be the same scenario. But it's not.