I see you haven't lost the old ALPA ability to change the subject when you have no answer to that subject. Nobody said anything about going anywhere. We're discussing world market rates for pilots and where the bottom 2/3rds of our list ranks in that regard.

I know you were part of that dishonorable cabal that stoked fear, uncertainty and fatalism on this pilot group from your position of power at DALPA. One of the things you did was fight tooth and nail to remove any comparison of UPS and FDX (because they're not even in the same business), and our foreign JV competitors (because that information is secret). Nobody buys it. We all know what you did and why you did it.

UPS may not have hired for a long time, but we've done almost none ourselves for a very long time. UPS might have management pilots, but we've got a ton of DGS guys and FO's training captains. We have all the same problems as UPS...they just make a LOT more than we do. A LOT more.

Carl