Originally Posted by
CALFO
I think the major issue that most CAL pilots have how the UAL list was conceived is that the relative seniority that it shows post merger is not the same type of relative seniority that it shows pre-merger. The pre-merger seniority number is based on active, employed pilots. The post merger seniority number is based on adding over 1,200 pilots that did not hold a position as of 2010. That skews the data. So to say that a pilot's relative seniority hasn't changed is simply not accurate.
That's the perspective from this side.
I was waiting for a CAL pilot to catch that
Here's some further thought on that topic though . . .
Starting with me:
Using round numbers so I don't have to go look up the exact number, I was 4239/6150 or 69% on the "active" list. If you put all the UAL furloughed pilots at the bottom, it doesn't change my new relative seniority number at all. You'd have to change the mathematical calculation of my Category and Class and Longevity, and adding weight to one or the other would only boost my standing relative to CAL pilots with similar relative seniority as I have higher longevity and Category and Class. You'd have to add in a new factor to be weighted that gives CAL pilots an advantage and then you'd have to justify why you are using that new factor. The easiest way would be to simply add a multiplier to all CAL scores and call it the "career expectations" multiplier. So for instance a CAL pilot has a raw score of 20 and I have a raw score of 20, but because CAL's career expectations are deemed to have been better than mine he gets a 1.1 x his score to give him credit for that.
My main point is that, yes, the UAL list shows relative seniority with furloughed pilots included and not just active pilots, but using the mathematical model that the UAL MEC is using it doesn't change the relative ranking on the new list for any UAL pilot senior to the furloughed pilot. The corollary to that fact is if one were to place all the UAL furloughees on the bottom of the list there would be a very large clump of junior CAL pilots that are junior to every "active" UAL pilot. I stand by my belief that this is a fair and equitable list methodology that will very likely get used, but if I were a CAL pilot I would most definitely not be happy and would be fighting for some adjustments in the bottom 1500 or so pilot group, but that's just me, and I'm sure some of my UAL brethren are scratching their heads and say "DoubleUTeeEff mate , whose side are you on anyways"