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Old 05-16-2013 | 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Zoomie
This UAL list is a cruel joke...nothing more, nothing less.

I expected this, so I'm not upset.

What I find humorous is that the UAL guys think their list is "reasonable".

So let's assume for a second that you are right and the arbitrators decide to put all the UAL furloughees on the bottom of the list. If then they use the mathematical model as proposed by the UAL MEC and come up with numeric scores for Category and Class and Longevity and create a list using those scores only among "active" pilots, is the list still "a joke", and if it is a "joke" what factor do you or any other CAL pilot suggest be introduced to the formula to make the list more "fair and equitable"? Should we ignore Category and Class and go on pure longevity? Should your W2 size be added in as a calculation? What?

Instead of complaining how about suggesting what you think is fair and equitable. ALPA policy has a long history of using stovepiiped category and class. What new methodology do you have that is better? Anyone?




Originally Posted by routemap
This is not relative seniority. The furloughed pilots are treated as active pilots.

Not true as I explained in an earlier post the furloughed pilots are given a value of 0 for Category and Class, but if a furloughed pilot has longevity of 12 years and a CAL pilot has longevity of 5 years and a low score for Category and Class since he is a NBFO then the total score favors the UAL pilot with 12 years longevity. You can change the outcome by simply creating a new category, Furloughed, and assign that Category a negative score until it overrides longevity to the amount you want.
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