Originally Posted by
Regularguy
"I was taught a valuable lesson early on in life. You get nothing without working hard for it. And sometimes, you have to fight for it. And sometimes Life is Unfair.
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You know I have noticed over the years (at least 20 more than horrid) that people who have "got theirs" make statements like this all too often.
Now with that aside, most of the accompanying info also on that post concerning SFOFO are mostly based on ignorance and speculation.
UAL could bid a B737 base for the sUAL pilots right now. Problems? Training for one and how the base will integrate after the ISL is another. Will sCAL get another bid before the ISL? I believe the contractual answer is no. But, rather than hear from me or the previous poster with idle uninformed speculation it would be worthwhile would check with your local reps (sUAL and sCAL) to see what they have to say.
I'm sure glad only a few have worked hard for anything and blame the rest of us for being slackers.
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First of all RegularGuy, I don't know your background and you don't know mine (probably).
But there are alot of guys on here who do. I'm prior Enlisted, went to College on my own dime, took out the loan to get my ratings.
I also CFI'd, Chartered and did the Regional thing while still serving in the Guard.
I earned my position.
I'm sorry to hear what happened to your (and the UAL Pilots) careers. It Sucks. Truly does. Same as it sucks for the TWA guys, the PanAm guys, the Eastern guys.. etc.
I for one don't believe our list is gonna fly. Guys from my squadron who have never been furloughed, (97 hires) should not be junior to me. My opinion.
Same time.. guys who have been furloughed, who have NOT been recalled back to LUAL, who would NOT have been recalled for years.. should NOT be senior to any working pilot at CAL.
(and I'm specifically talking about the InVol Furloughs here.)
Your list is just as wrong there...
Do I get ****ed if the neighbor hits the Lotto and I don't. Nope. It's Life. Do I act all obnoxious if my house survives a natural disaster and the neighbors don't.. Nope. It's Life.
Life isn't fair sometimes. You do the best you can and move forward. I've stated repeatedly, I voted NO and that's that. However, I was not the one who brought it up.. a UAL Pilot did. I therefore asked him how he voted.
Once we have an SLI, I'll live with it. Hopefully I'm not too screwed. Either way, I'll adjust my future plans.
As far as a next bid.. it was stated by our MEC at my last council meeting, and on the last Town Hall Conference Call that- The Continental way of system bids are probably over.. even though, contractually we would probably need to have another bid come Aug/Sept.
That being said, any future bid is suppose to follow the new JCBA method. Therein lies the potential problem.
We are still operating in separate systems. UAL bidding and flying their equipment, CAL doing the same.
If the rumors of IT issues are true, and that even after a SLI there will still be two separate systems.. then what?!
Come 1 Sept and we have a list. Great.
On the 6th of Sept when we PBS Bid, it will still be (most likely) separate bids..
Until the IT side gets done, even with the List, there are still major issues to be resolved.
If the SFO base bid does open up around the SLI time.. the base itself probably won't open till sometime next year. More than enough time to make all the necessary adjustments.
But to say that I "got mine" and therefore don't care about my fellow pilots is untrue.
You might not like my opinion.. but so what. From the 7000 or so UAL Pilots out there, there are only a handful I don't really like. And the majority are those who I haven't even met. Just know through the numerous Forums.
But I'll still be willing to sit down and have a beer with them. But the reality is, most likely, I won't be able to change their minds about all this crap.. and they won't be able to change mine either.
It is what it is.
Motch
PS> Considering that I'm 46.. guess that makes you "at least" 66?!
PPS> Please explain to me how LUAL bids a 737 SFO base.. when you have no aircraft per the TPA to fill it? nor do you have a training program.. and where do you pull the pilots from without it affecting the rest of your fleet?