Originally Posted by
Nevets
You only need to be cheaper than XJT. If you just hold the line and keep what you have, should be no problem.
That's right because you guys managed to get a whopping $2.00 an hour more for A/C over 50 seats...
It is a lot more than just rates. Tell me you understand that, right? How much more in 401k matching funds do you get? How much more in B fund contributions do you get? How much more in vacation accrual do you get? How much more in sick accrual do you get? How much lower is your share of health care premiums? How much more in perdiem do you get? Etc etc.
Really, if you just keep what you already have, your pilot group will continue to be more "cost competitive" than LXJT's.
Originally Posted by
eaglepilot6
Really!?!? Only 1 guy gets it?
This is only an announcement for 40/100. Plus, they have options for 100. Anyone who doesn't think these will be used as management "carrots" to lure ALL SKYW, Inc pilots into accepting concessions is either ignorant, naive, or has zero memory. Wasn't ASA getting the first 900s, anyone? anyone? The email has already come out with management basically saying no growth at ASA or XJT unless concessions. I'm sorry, I mean "cost competitiveness". Plus, the threat of aircraft exiting the CPAs starting this fall. Deja vu all over again I guess.
The email that came out to XJT was a plea for unity to get labor contracts done so the company can know its costs going forward to bid contracts. I can't speak for the other labor groups, but for XJT pilots, the contract is basically done except for PBS bidding system. Management hasnt been asking for concessions, they have been on the sidelines for months watching the MECs cat fight over Flightline vs SmartPref
Don't be so naive. They are too smart to outright ask for concessions. They have been using code words like "cost competitive" to get the subtle message accords. BH himself said to me on a conference that there are things in the LXJT contract that are not cost competitive. Maybe it won't be a concession for the ASA people but I'm definitely not holding my breath for the LXJT side.
Originally Posted by
gojo
I do feel that ALPA abuses spending for food and alcohol, but I also feel that it should be a perk for those that do volunteer. But you're right, Ruth Chris Steakhouse is a bit excessive. Additionally, I feel that many of the contract provisions that Skywest enjoys comes from ALPA negotiated contracts. I suspect that Skywest management will go for concessions at Skywest if ASA/XJT gives in to concessions
Splitting hairs a bit, but SkyWest pilots don't have any contract provisions. Their work rules, pay, and benefits exist only as long as management allows them to. The only leverage the pilots have is the threat of unionization if the cuts are too deep. Any "negotiations" with the student council are basically for show.
They do have the document from their last "negotiations" that says they will get whatever 401k matching, health benefits, and scope that XJT pilots negotiate in their contract.
Originally Posted by
Redbird611
Splitting hairs a bit, but SkyWest pilots don't have any contract provisions. Their work rules, pay, and benefits exist only as long as management allows them to. The only leverage the pilots have is the threat of unionization if the cuts are too deep. Any "negotiations" with the student council are basically for show.
WRONG Management does not fear a union here i.e. expressjet. What they fear is not being able pay shareholders. Mangament tries to ride a fine line between paying people just enough to keep them happy so they'll be productive and produce profit. They do not want to cut so deep that it causes employees to become destructive and unprofitable. Last time I checked the definition of negotiate didnt included the word union in it.
No, but without an NMB recognized union, you don't have any leverage. Like you said, it only has to do with management compensating enough to keep you non-union. They fear that that would threaten the value to the shareholders. I guess SWA does very bad since ALL of their employees are unionized.
Probably true to a certain point, but for the most part regional compensation is so low compared to the general economy that regionals can't really treat people much worse or they'd just quit...except for those who have a lot of time vested. The only people who really benefit from regional unions are very high-seniority CA's in the six-figure range...I agree without union protection these guys would not be making that kind of money.
Why does everyone think that having a union is solely about having a contract?