Originally Posted by
chucknav
1. Navigator time is not log-able like flight engineer time (up to 500 for ATP). So, my 5000 hours flying all over the world performing flight/fuel planning, navigation responsibilities, and programming the flight computer doesn't stack up against the flight engineer, who, in the air force anyway, is just a systems expert. Not to take anything away from them, (I think their time should count) they just don't get pilot-like training on anything except systems. Whereas, navigators in the air force are trained like pilots, in every aspect except operating the controls. Yet, our time does not count towards the mins for ATP. Sorry for the rant. As you can probably tell, that's a sore subject for me.
2. I'm way too old for UPT.
3. Yes.
Rant away. I ran into an acquaintance (spelling?) who need up becoming an FE on Hercs. He told me the time was log able...so he went from civilian private pilot to logging 130 time! Too bad for you though, thanks for your service.