I'd like to remind people that simply hiring pilots won't do a lot for anyone advancement wise. So everyone who is griping about no hiring, think about how there will be no real advancement until retirements start. That's the truth. Until we (a) take delivery of growth airplanes (b) begin to see significant retirements hiring isn't really going to advance anyone.


So even if hiring had started "as early as 2012" it would've done little to no good for any of us. It would've simply provided some breathing room for the junior people at the bottom of the M88, DC9, and probably the 320. That's it. None of us would've moved up simply from hiring. You can't move up if there isn't anywhere to go up to.