Originally Posted by Jack Bauer

Where am I incorrect on the count? I said there were likely greater than 5000 who signed a card because they felt it was worthwhile. Beyond that, both of us can only speculate based upon our own antidotal observations who's cards have been or will/will not be renewed.

We will have to agree to disagree on this point. I think many still have hope for the new organization regardless of some of the polarizing remarks Tim has made (no doubt when he is fueled up about the latest ALPA fiasco). Btw, I have watched some of the video conferences DPA has put on. Many of those guys are not "morons" as you say but honest to goodness good guys looking for change. Many are level headed, rational thinking guys trying to improve the profession and take some control back that will help current and future airline pilots and their families. I think it is disingenuous for you to label all of them "morons". I dislike ALPA and I don't call them morons. I know many ALPA guys I respect greatly and feel their pain when they try to change and are taken out of the most important decision making processes. DPA has more support than you are giving it credit for IMHO.