Originally Posted by cencal83406

Of course I can not prove it because the old airlink forum was removed by MEC Chair CS, but, you did write on there at some point that you were allowed to land at flaps 0. Water under the bridge. It's not like you could get in trouble at this point anyway. Just make sure you have your facts straight before you go bashing other pilot groups for an arbitrated decision and then backpedal using fatal accidents as some sort of heinous barometer that says they are worse than someone else.

Can I start with an easy one: are you MA from DTW 200? Are you also known as cherokee_cruiser on "that other forum"?

80: flaps fails at 0 are not an emergency item. The FAA came down hard on us for declaring every time, so we have been highly discouraged from doing so. Better still, since no FOs prior to 2012 had performed an evaluated or even "extra time" maneuver in the sim known as flaps 0 landing, what CAs in their right mind would allow the FO to land to "gain experience", especially considering something a lot less nefarious - contaminated runway landings, are specifically CA only "no matter what" at SWOA. Even after these FOs have been in the seat 5+ years.