I don't want to further derail this thread into a gojet thread (So this will be my last post on the subject here), but what makes them worse than any of the airlines you mentioned was that they were SPECIFICALLY CREATED TO BYPASS A COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT. I really can't make that any clearer. Pinnacle/compass/transstates/colgan/whoever was not a result of trying to avoid negotiating fairly with a union.