Originally Posted by
horrido27
The argument that furloughs have "career expectations" is a tough one. One only needs to look back at history and see how many furloughs at PanAm, Eastern, TWA, etc ended up with great career expectations at their carriers.
I know that not every pilot who is (or was) furloughed ends up starting over again. It's a complicated formula that included the financials of their carrier, their own age, etc...
Motch
Look at what you just did... you parsed (so did I!) You chose an argument that benefited your side. You illustrated that PanAm, Eastern, and TWA pilots that were furloughed ended up with lousy careers despite great career expectations. Note how you disregarded CAL, UAL, Delta, NWA, AMR, USAir (ok I'm reaching on that one perhaps) etc... pilots that were at one point furloughed and ended up being Captains, widebody Captains, and even led entire Flight Operations Departments (there are several)... To simply disregard career expectations and longevity in 100% preference of class (which CAL did Cap/Cap - F/O/F/O) is in direct conflict with ALPA merger policy. It isn't going to happen. It will absolutely be the end of ALPA. They know this. I know you know this.
You're one of the smartest and most well spoken CAL pilots I've interacted with, probably ever. The CAL list won't happen. ALPA cannot afford for it to. The fact that is was even proposed shows just how off the reservation the CAL leadership is IMHO. I guess time will tell, however.
Personally, I think this merger will be very important to all of our careers. My Dad was furloughed 7 times at the original Frontier. He had a garbage career with 3 bankruptcies, a shutdown, and commuted for all by the last 15. If mergers like this end up creating stability for airline workers (which I believe they will), then I think they're necessary. I'm absolutely disappointed in the process this merger has taken (not just management or union), but I think in the end it will be a stronger company.
Scott